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« on: July 24, 2011, 12:42:29 PM »

I was recently ask to help find a reference in the AGFC Code book for a fellow trapper and in the process
ran across a most recent change to the size definition of coniber traps...

Here is the quote from the May 21, 2011 revision of the Code:

10.02 REGULAR FURBEARING SEASON TRAP RESTRICTIONS.
04-11
(C) Water-Set Trap Requirements
Smooth-jawed traps with a jaw spread not in excess of 8 1/2 inches,
Conibear or comparable body-gripping traps with a jaw spread not in
excess of 10 inches (measured on the inside edge of the trap form hinge to
hinge and from top-to-bottom at the dog and may not exceed the
specified maximum size either horizontally or vertically)
and box traps.

I know in the past there has been some contention about being able to use the mega-conibear traps (the double wide ones) because the size definition wasn't clearly stated...NOW there is a definition and it may exclude the use of some
brands of conibear 330s...I don't own any Belisle but have heard that they are 10 inches tall but 11 inches wide... Huh?

Wonder if the WOs are going be bring out the measuring tapes on conis now?

I'll be checking out all of my Dukes both regulars and magnums to see if they meet the new requirement and try to make
adjustments where possible...
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2011, 02:27:28 PM »

Excellent update - thanks for the info!
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2011, 03:36:18 PM »

the duke #330 is  10x9 3/4
the bridger #330 is 10x9 1/2
the mb-1216-jc is 12 x 16
the super bear is 10 x 20
the victor #330-2 is 10 x 10
the sleepycreek 1000 is 10 x 10
the belisle #330 super x is 10 x 11
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2011, 04:12:05 PM »

That 660 is one of the best beaver traps there is.  no blocking on a 3 ft wide run, or stand it on its end in a deep run.  They want the beaver gone BUT they are slowly taking away all the good tools you need to do  it.  What was the ata stand on it?  Or is this another one of Blake Sasse  end around deals he slipped in.
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2011, 04:22:18 PM »

AGFC don't have a clue when it come's to trapping. On what it takes to do the job but when johnny green show's up he will write a ticket in a heart beat  Shocked , just sayin. Huh?
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2011, 04:24:12 PM »

That 660 is one of the best beaver traps there is.  no blocking on a 3 ft wide run, or stand it on its end in a deep run.  They want the beaver gone BUT they are slowly taking away all the good tools you need to do  it.  What was the ata stand on it?  Or is this another one of Blake Sasse  end around deals he slipped in.

Methinks maybe attention was drawn to the definitions verses "intent" and the AGFC made sure to include their
definition in the latest revisions of the code...BUT as KKAC points out...the new restrictions eliminates the use
of the Belisle, super bear, MB 12-16 and 660...useful tools all...

Not sure the ATA was even contacted for an opinion...someone should ask next general membership meeting.
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2011, 05:51:19 PM »

.someone should ask next general membership meeting.Dont worry it will be.  I wont call any names but theres a certain employee with the agfc that is very dangerous to the future of trapping in ark.
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2011, 06:16:25 PM »

i'm not sure the one your most likely talking about has our best intrust at heart.
i just ordered a dozen #660 body grips.
well maybe scrap is still high.
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2011, 06:21:37 PM »

That 660 is one of the best beaver traps there is.  no blocking on a 3 ft wide run, or stand it on its end in a deep run.  They want the beaver gone BUT they are slowly taking away all the good tools you need to do  it.  What was the ata stand on it?  Or is this another one of Blake Sasse  end around deals he slipped in.
It really doesn't make sense.It's like outlawing the 300 Mag. for deer hunting.A little much for a whitetail but it does an excellant job.With trapping the opposite applies,the 660 does an excellant job so we need to restrict it.Don't know what employee at the agfc you're speaking of but they must have had something to do with the trapping rules.Time to get out the tar and feathers! Angry
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2011, 06:27:53 PM »

Well, personally I think any AGFC personnel who are task to oversee any program should have
some experience in the field doing the same.

Also, I think that enough people are concerned about any changes in the regs they should take
the time to draw a petition, have it signed by as many as possible and not only send it to the
AGFC powers that be but also have it posted in a state wide newspaper.  Rather than 'Tar and Feather'  Unpossible

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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2011, 06:37:31 PM »

Guys,
         This is partially your fault. This man is your Furbearer
Biologist, for better or worse, your stuck with him. It is your job to educate him and keep him upto date on current technology concerning trapping. Send him to the FTA Trappers College so he has a better working knowledge of what you guys are doing in the field and current methods and equipmet.

      The FTA offers to cost share sending these furbearer biologist to the college with the state associations, all you have to do is have your organization write a letter to the FTA applying for this cost share assistance. 
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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2011, 06:45:30 PM »

Robert how ya doing buddy. Aint seen hide nor hair of ya in a while.

 Neo you write up a petition and Ill be the first SOB to sign it.


 And I got a doz 660s ordered to.
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2011, 06:57:31 PM »

Cooner and I are supposed to do a "free" beaver job on a lake this winter where my aunt lives.Also one of the resident's on this lake that want the beaver gone is a "big wig" with AGFC.So I can mention he may need to send said person to the trapper's college or hand him the petition in person.I'll leave the tar and feathers at home. Grin
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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2011, 07:17:49 PM »

Why dont we name this "person". Someone on here may know him or her and can let them know what they have done on restricting the use of some traps. Also if they are a detriment to trapping we need to know who it is so we can try and get rid of them...d2
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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2011, 07:25:06 PM »

when he took over the furbearers dept. we brought him in and showed him what all we would like changed and why and also what we did as an association.
we have talked for two years about why we need the #660, with no preveal.
sometimes you can get caught up in having more book sence than common Roll Eyes
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